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#41 spookygoy

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Posted 10 March 2016 - 08:57 AM

I'm kind of in the boat same now.  I've got ~260  days left on my current account so I'll be able to get a bit of use out of it.  But I am extremely worried about how I will renew my VPN service with Air while staying truly anonymous.

The last time I bought a plan, I even did it from a VPN IP,  and just used a prepaid VISA.  Even though we're well past that law enactment date I previously had not had problems just a few months ago.

 

Paypal is not an option anymore I guess, unless Air can arrange a US transaction node for  US customers  (i.e just as a test I bought a CS token through a reseller that went through fine).

I'd really hate to go back to CS too because their servers are inconsistent and they have way less.

 

It's not even about who I am, or what I am doing online.  It is about privacy and free speech plain and simple.   I do not need the hassle of the thought police bothering me for something I may have said online, especially in today's rampant  anti-free speech culture in the US, UK and other places.

 

I am less than impressed with BTC options as for example anything looking remotely credible wants you to verify your identity in some form (phone, documents, SSN, etc).

Sure walking into a store and buying a prepaid has risk, but you can greatly mitigate that risk by walking to the location from a distance of several miles, and all the other usual dress-down stuff.

 

 

Cryptocurrency is great if you want some measure of anonymity, but unless you are selling a service you can make money from it seems the barrier to entry IS your anonymity


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Posted 06 April 2016 - 11:37 PM

Buy "disposable visa"s for cash :)

This is exactly how I pay for my AirVPN plan. I go to the local supermarket, buy a Visa Gift Card, and use that to buy the AirVPN subscription.



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Posted 07 April 2016 - 08:43 PM

Buy "disposable visa"s for cash :)

This is exactly how I pay for my AirVPN plan. I go to the local supermarket, buy a Visa Gift Card, and use that to buy the AirVPN subscription.

 

​i tried to do that, but when the time came to pay with the prepaid card, Air's credit card processor (Avantgate?) wanted to know ALL of my personal information, and a lot of the information that the prepaid card simply did not have. i ended up having to create a bogus PayPal account with  my new-bought card and buy it this way. did i miss something?? :|



#44 spookygoy

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 11:39 AM

 

Buy "disposable visa"s for cash :)

This is exactly how I pay for my AirVPN plan. I go to the local supermarket, buy a Visa Gift Card, and use that to buy the AirVPN subscription.

 

​i tried to do that, but when the time came to pay with the prepaid card, Air's credit card processor (Avantgate?) wanted to know ALL of my personal information, and a lot of the information that the prepaid card simply did not have. i ended up having to create a bogus PayPal account with  my new-bought card and buy it this way. did i miss something?? :|

I'm actually curious about the process you used to do this.  Since I can no longer do the  pre-paid thing either.

Paypal is a PITA,  I don't wanna drop money on a prepaid card and the link it to an account / try to use the funds and have it blow up in my face though.

 

If you could DM me or reply here with what steps you took that would be swell.



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Posted 27 April 2016 - 02:57 PM

 

 

Buy "disposable visa"s for cash :)

This is exactly how I pay for my AirVPN plan. I go to the local supermarket, buy a Visa Gift Card, and use that to buy the AirVPN subscription.

 

​i tried to do that, but when the time came to pay with the prepaid card, Air's credit card processor (Avantgate?) wanted to know ALL of my personal information, and a lot of the information that the prepaid card simply did not have. i ended up having to create a bogus PayPal account with  my new-bought card and buy it this way. did i miss something?? :|

I'm actually curious about the process you used to do this.  Since I can no longer do the  pre-paid thing either.

Paypal is a PITA,  I don't wanna drop money on a prepaid card and the link it to an account / try to use the funds and have it blow up in my face though.

 

If you could DM me or reply here with what steps you took that would be swell.

 

i got a prepaid card with cash locally. the prepaid card, in order to function online, needed a ZIP/postal code to be entered in an online account. no other info. not even a CCV number. i went to the order page and chose my package. then i picked "VISA" as payment method and the credit card provider started to ask me all the usual crap, what's your name, date of birth, darkest secret... so i went and put a fake ZIP/postal code into the prepaid card and went over to paypal and plugged that in, called myself Amelia Frumblesnatch with fake everything to boot and the prepaid card number, everything went through.

 

oh and i was on a different VPN the whole time. can't do that shit with IP exposed, yo.


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#46 spookygoy

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Posted 27 April 2016 - 09:30 PM

Hmm I thought I had tried to do something like that, but I guess I'll give it another go.



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Posted 29 April 2016 - 11:41 AM

Any VPN provider which does not support bitcoin, is a bad provider. Fuck Paypal.


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#48 pr1v

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Posted 29 April 2016 - 11:50 AM

Strange... am I the only one paying here through paypal without problems?

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 03:38 PM

No. I bet you 70%+ of AirVPN subscribers sub through PayPal.

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 09:34 PM

The question isn't how many pay through paypal, its how many are able to do it anonymously  without their real identity attached

 

Also.  This is a fresh card,  registered to a zip code, worked fine for google drive purchase

 

We're sorry, but we couldn't complete your purchase using card Visa x-5250, because it has been denied by the card issuer. Please enter a new card to continue payment.

Guess I'll try from a cryptostorm IP later on.



#51 giganerd

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Posted 01 May 2016 - 07:54 PM

No. I bet you 70%+ of AirVPN subscribers sub through PayPal.

 

I initially subscribed by paying with PayPal.


Always remember:
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Amazon IPs are not dangerous here,
running TOR exits is discouraged,

using spoilers for your logs helps us read your thread.

~ Furthermore, I propose that your paranoia is to be destroyed. ~

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#52 OmniNegro

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 12:28 AM

I refuse to provide money to the scam artists at paypal. They can and have many times decided entirely on their own that a user *May* be fake and seized thousands of dollars of cash, never to return it again.

 

Sure, some of the time this is because people are doing criminal things, but paypal keeps the money anyway. They do not bother to investigate, they just seize. May they be audited by the IRS for this every time it happens.

 

I pay direct from my bank account debit card. I could try a cryptocurrency, but they maintain a full transaction history. So you do not "hide" anything by doing this.


Debugging is at least twice as hard as writing the program in the first place.

So if you write your code as clever as you can possibly make it, then by definition you are not smart enough to debug it.


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Posted 03 May 2016 - 06:33 AM

I asked the question directly on g+ back in feb 6 but never got an answer ; is airVPN affected by this issue? I see that paypal is still a payment option so I assume it is not.

 

I've ~500 days left so it's not an immediate issue, still arranging for alternative means of payment can take some time.



#54 giganerd

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Posted 03 May 2016 - 06:52 AM

I asked the question directly on g+ back in feb 6 but never got an answer ; is airVPN affected by this issue? I see that paypal is still a payment option so I assume it is not.

I've ~500 days left so it's not an immediate issue, still arranging for alternative means of payment can take some time.

No, but I've noticed strange behavior of PayPal when connected to AirVPN. Payments not processing and payments telling me I have to add a credit card or deposit money from my bank account first despite of having money over there are common. But there are no real alternatives, so I must obey.

(Sent via Tapatalk - this generally means I'm not sitting in front of my PC)

Always remember:
There's a guide to AirVPN,

Amazon IPs are not dangerous here,
running TOR exits is discouraged,

using spoilers for your logs helps us read your thread.

~ Furthermore, I propose that your paranoia is to be destroyed. ~

Instead of writing me a personal mail, consider contacting me via XMPP at gigan3rd@xmpp.airvpn.org or join the lounge@conference.xmpp.airvpn.org. I might read the mail too late whereas I'm always available on XMPP ;)


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Posted 04 May 2016 - 12:31 AM

I encourage AIRVPN and others to look into a disruptive new entry into the mobile/online payments industry: Stripe.com

 

Fees are completely transparent and they accept everything from credit and debit to ACH and Bitcoin. They are EU based and not as likely to be bullied by US LE and regulators into doing what Paypal is doing with the blanket casting of VPN users.

 

I have nothing to do with them, but became very impressed when I saw them on 60 Minutes last week.



#56 giganerd

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Posted 04 May 2016 - 09:08 AM

Did I read it right on their page that they claim Reddit and Slack for example allegedly support Stripe payments? Because it's not true.

(Sent via Tapatalk - this generally means I'm not sitting in front of my PC)

Always remember:
There's a guide to AirVPN,

Amazon IPs are not dangerous here,
running TOR exits is discouraged,

using spoilers for your logs helps us read your thread.

~ Furthermore, I propose that your paranoia is to be destroyed. ~

Instead of writing me a personal mail, consider contacting me via XMPP at gigan3rd@xmpp.airvpn.org or join the lounge@conference.xmpp.airvpn.org. I might read the mail too late whereas I'm always available on XMPP ;)


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Posted 04 June 2016 - 10:42 AM

Hello everyone! I was reading this post and I got worried due to Paypal democratization process. :asd:  How can I renew my account? Is it okay if I buy a gift card Mastercard / visa / whatever? I admit I have never used that before, therefore I am not sure how this works. For example, if I have two cards with the value of 9.99 euros (don't know why they don't round up to 10, ... bah), can I buy a subscription for 15 euros? Or, what happens if I buy a 25 euros card and then I use only 20? can I use the 5 euros left?

 

Thanks in advance.



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Posted 04 June 2016 - 03:26 PM

I know this prob gonna sound daft, but what if I bought a gift voucher from AirVPN and used that to pay for my subscription would that circumvent the Paypal restrictions?? I know that it probably still be able to be traced by the "authorities"  wouldn't it ??

 


https://airvpn.org/plans/



#59 EdensSpire

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Posted 04 June 2016 - 10:42 PM

I know this prob gonna sound daft, but what if I bought a gift voucher from AirVPN and used that to pay for my subscription would that circumvent the Paypal restrictions?? I know that it probably still be able to be traced by the "authorities"  wouldn't it ??

 

https://airvpn.org/plans/

 

Well I'm assuming the gift voucher would have to be purchased with the credit you have made from referral? And if you can use paypal or something to buy the gift voucher it beats any and all purposes since you are STILL giving money to AirVPN for a subscription through paypal, just in more steps.



#60 sckirklan

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Posted 21 June 2016 - 08:59 PM

They are doing it to data hosts now too evidently.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/06/21/paypal-cloud-seafile/







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