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[jwblue 0]

What is the latest with regards to using PayPal?  AirVPN still offers that option.

 

What is the reason I would not want to use PayPal?  

 

Why would I not want to use a credit card?

[DonaldDrumpf 3]

What is the latest with regards to using PayPal?  AirVPN still offers that option.

 

What is the reason I would not want to use PayPal?  

 

Why would I not want to use a credit card?

Paypal seems to have backed off on VPN's that don't explicitly market themselves to torrenters and copyright violators.

 

A payment made by paypal can be traced back to your true identity. It's a matter of anonymity.

 

Same reason you wouldn't want to use a credit card if you're skeered of being identified by your payment info.  Hence, the option to pay via cryptocurrency for those who feel a real need to be paranoid.

[larky 40]

 

@Newbie

 

"I thought that the Interent was created to have open and free access to all sorts of information."

 

 

The envisioned idea of the internet was "to have open and free access to all sorts of information", an idea which never included that which belonged to someone else (e.g. movies/tv shows/services/products for which the ownership is with the rights holders). The execution of the internet manifestation was for commercial interests and always has been. Its the commercial interests which pay for the internet (e.g. servers, backbones, etc...) and its never been "free" (although there are 'free' things on the internet). Even in the envisioned idea it was required that commercial interests would provide the internet structure because they were the only ones with the money and resources to do so, so it was created to "sell" things and to make money for the commercial interests. Its that foundation of making money and selling things we see today as the internet which enables people to offer things for "free". The original envisioned idea of the internet was to communicate and share information freely as in information about things, documents, books, knowledge, etc.... it was never intended that things owned by others that choose not to share their property for "free" would be part of that "information" and its the same today. The absolute first original idea was envisioned by the U.S. Military which at that time was realized and manifested in ARPANET (by DARPA which is for U.S. government military research) which was used to communicate and share data between DARPA and universities doing government research projects. Its from the manifestation idea of ARPANET that the idea of a 'world wide network", now dubbed the "internet", for everyone was derived.

[Staff 10014]

you thought wrong. The envisioned idea of the internet was "to have open and free access to all sorts of information", an idea which never included that which belonged to someone else (e.g. movies/tv shows/services for which the ownership is with the rights holders)

 

 

Obviously we need to intervene on this.

 

There is no such thing as owning the copies of an original work of your mind or the original abstract idea itself in any legal framework of any country in the world.

 

The above is a fantastic invention of some disturbed minds, a deception which has then been amplified by popular belief and ignorance.  What you probably mean is the concept of copyright, which is a special grant to monopoly rights to distribute and limit access to an original mind work (originally for censorship and control purposes). The intellectual monopoly (also improperly known as intellectual "property", another deceptive definition which is precisely meant to add confusion between a granted by a government monopoly and natural ownership rights) is limited in time and most legal frameworks also specify precise exceptions under which such monopoly is not granted.

 

Assuming that an original work of mind is a property of anybody or any entity is an atrocious monstrosity which has never been (and probably will never be) implemented in any legal framework in the history of humankind.

 

Sorry for the incidental off topic, but as you can imagine if you read the "story" about how AirVPN was born you can understand why we are physically unable to not fix such arguments when we see them in our community forums.

 

Kind regards

[serenacat 83]

"it was required that commercial interests would provide the internet structure because they were the only ones with the money and resources to do so, so it was created to "sell" things and to make money for the commercial interests."

I cannot agree with this.

In 1975 the Internet Protocol was available for international and local networking over the available 1200bps telephone line to 2Mbs T1 carrier links between Unix Version 7 operating systems, usually on DEC PDP11 hardware. Unix V7 was developed by Bell Labs of ATT USA and was available under license for academic institutions with the right connections wrt US gov export controls, including the Uni of NSW in Australia where I was a Computer Science student. It was also available to government and scientific/defense contractors. It was not available for general for profit organisation use, who were "sold" on IBM and Control Data and DEC etc proprietary networking. Or available to the general public, who did not have any computers.

This did not connect to US DARPA networks which required additional packet headers which were "secret" extensions to the basic protocols.

Early standards for additional functionality (RFCs) were developed by delegates from the research/university spheres, as a "common good".

It was later that the "enclosure of the Commons" with intellectual property claims by corporate lawyers became a legal conflict zone.

[larky 40]

 

"it was required that commercial interests would provide the internet structure because they were the only ones with the money and resources to do so, so it was created to "sell" things and to make money for the commercial interests."

 

"I cannot agree with this.

In 1975 the Internet Protocol was available for international and local networking over the available 1200bps telephone line to 2Mbs T1 carrier links between Unix Version 7 operating systems, usually on DEC PDP11 hardware. Unix V7 was developed by Bell Labs of ATT USA and was available under license for academic institutions with the right connections wrt US gov export controls, including the Uni of NSW in Australia where I was a Computer Science student. It was also available to government and scientific/defense contractors. It was not available for general for profit organisation use, who were "sold" on IBM and Control Data and DEC etc proprietary networking. Or available to the general public, who did not have any computers.

This did not connect to US DARPA networks which required additional packet headers which were "secret" extensions to the basic protocols.

Early standards for additional functionality (RFCs) were developed by delegates from the research/university spheres, as a "common good".

It was later that the "enclosure of the Commons" with intellectual property claims by corporate lawyers became a legal conflict zone."

 

 

The "Internet Protocol" to which they are referring is not the 'world wide web internet" we use today. Its was the protocol used to connect between discreet 'networks" thus the "Internet" part as in "Inter-Network", not the "network" we know today as the internet. The "Internet Protocol" to which they are referring was that protocol used at that time to communicate between systems on individual discreet networks via phone modems (e.g. the old BBS systems) of via dedicated T1 links. That "Internet Protocol" was later adapted to use on the 'world wide web internet" we use today, and in short we call it "IP" as in "IP address" or in other words "Internet Protocol Address" ("Inter-Network Protocol Address") . 

 

the "world wide web internet" we know today was built by commercial interests whose goal was to use it to "sell" things and to make money for the commercial interests. They do it in the form of people paying for access to the internet (e.g. ISP's or data centers leasing out space, etc...) and providing a method for on line retailers and other pay services to ply their wares for profit, etc.... You think a bunch of volunteers or philanthropists choked up the billions of dollars to build out what we know today as the 'internet' and continue to pay out billions annually to keep it running and intact? You think it was somehow "crowd sourced/funded"? Every time a packet hits the backbone (without which we would have no internet as we know it today), the commercial interest cash registers somewhere go "ching". Did you think the commercial interests were not going to do something with the internet that did not make them money? Even the very standards employed on the internet are backed at some point by a commercial interest, someone has to pay for it. If it was not for commercial interests we would have no internet today (as we know it), there is not one point on the internet that you can browse to that you do not pass through a commercial interest owned "thing" which provides that path to that point on the internet, not even on VPN or TOR. The internet is not big business and so important because someone wants to post they farted on twitter, is big business and so important because commercial interests make money from keeping it running and building it out and improving on it.