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ANSWERED When FRANCE servers are comming ?

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Hello world !

I would like to know if AirVPN add servers in FRANCE in the near future.
I think it would be interesting to add servers in view of the good French network.
And many AirVPN users wait impatiently for these servers ...

Thanks for reading me :)

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And as far as I know the legal framework didn't change. There is a French rerouting server, though, which can be used to view French TV and VoD services while connected to any other server. If you only want to do that, open a ticket and kindly ask to reroute content from whatever service you want to unblock.
 
1 hour ago, CLusmi said:

And many AirVPN users wait impatiently for these servers ...


Do they, now? Who are they? Do they know you? And do you have the authority to speak for them?
Don't make claims you can't support.

» I am not an AirVPN team member. All opinions are my own and are not to be considered official. Only the AirVPN Staff account should be viewed as such.

» The forums is a place where you can ask questions to the community. You are not entitled to guaranteed answer times. Answer quality may vary, too. If you need professional support, please create tickets.

» If you're new, take some time to read LZ1's New User Guide to AirVPN. On questions, use the search function first. On errors, search for the error message instead.

» If you choose to create a new thread, keep in mind that we don't know your setup. Give info about it. Never forget the OpenVPN logs or, for Eddie, the support file (Logs > lifebelt icon).

» The community kindly asks you to not set up Tor exit relays when connected to AirVPN. Their IP addresses are subject to restrictions and these are relayed to all users of the affected servers.

 

» Furthermore, I propose that your paranoia is to be destroyed. If you overdo privacy, chances are you will be unique amond the mass again.

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One thing i do not understand:

How does the legal framework matter? If all servers are controlled remotely by AIR and are fully encrypted, how could any traffic be logged?

Under these premises, does it matter where the server is located?

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1 hour ago, BlueBanana said:

If all servers are controlled remotely by AIR and are fully encrypted, how could any traffic be logged?


While the traffic between your endpoint and the server is encrypted, the traffic between the server and your destination is not. That traffic must somehow leave the datacenter as well, so theoretically it's still possible for a datacenter operator to keep records of connections, transferred bytes, duration, maybe even the rough destination, etc. this way. A less friendly legal framework compels the operator to do that, while a more friendly one gives some freedom of choice in this regard. Of course this won't allow the datacenter to match some traffic to a certain user.

Under this premise choice of location does matter, despite the no-log tag of the VPN provider.

» I am not an AirVPN team member. All opinions are my own and are not to be considered official. Only the AirVPN Staff account should be viewed as such.

» The forums is a place where you can ask questions to the community. You are not entitled to guaranteed answer times. Answer quality may vary, too. If you need professional support, please create tickets.

» If you're new, take some time to read LZ1's New User Guide to AirVPN. On questions, use the search function first. On errors, search for the error message instead.

» If you choose to create a new thread, keep in mind that we don't know your setup. Give info about it. Never forget the OpenVPN logs or, for Eddie, the support file (Logs > lifebelt icon).

» The community kindly asks you to not set up Tor exit relays when connected to AirVPN. Their IP addresses are subject to restrictions and these are relayed to all users of the affected servers.

 

» Furthermore, I propose that your paranoia is to be destroyed. If you overdo privacy, chances are you will be unique amond the mass again.

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2 hours ago, giganerd said:
And as far as I know the legal framework didn't change. There is a French rerouting server, though, which can be used to view French TV and VoD services while connected to any other server. If you only want to do that, open a ticket and kindly ask to reroute content from whatever service you want to unblock.
 
Do they, now? Who are they? Do they know you? And do you have the authority to speak for them?
Don't make claims you can't support.
 
Thanks for these informations.
I misspoke, I just guess some users might be interested ...

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3 hours ago, giganerd said:

While the traffic between your endpoint and the server is encrypted, the traffic between the server and your destination is not. That traffic must somehow leave the datacenter as well, so theoretically it's still possible for a datacenter operator to keep records of connections, transferred bytes, duration, maybe even the rough destination, etc. this way.
Wouldn´t that apply to any country with mandatory data retention for ISPs? For example, UK, Estonia, Sweden etc.
As long as the logging is passive, it doesn´t really matter whether it is done by the upstream provider or the datacenter. Am I wrong?

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@HannaForest

About countries in the EU, any mandatory data indiscriminate retention framework is illegal according to two different CJEU decisions, so any attempt to enforce it or incrimination for having failed to enforce it can be easily challenged up to the highest court.

About UK, the legal framework does not seem to enforce mandatory data retention to datacenters, but as soon as UK will get out of the EU we will re-check the situation with the help of lawyers.

About France, the difference is that data retention seems mandatory for "hosting providers" (sic), so datacenters might start logging metadata without our knowledge. We will study again and re-consider in the next months anyway.

Kind regards


 

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15 hours ago, Staff said:
About countries in the EU, any mandatory data indiscriminate retention framework is illegal according to two different CJEU decisions, so any attempt to enforce it or incrimination for having failed to enforce it can be easily challenged up to the highest court.
True. Sadly, there are still countries in the EU that do enforce mandatory data retention for ISPs despite the CJEU rulings, thereby violating EU law and fundamental rights. You are of course well aware of the situation in Italy. Other countries are, as per my knowledge, Sweden, Estonia, UK, and others. While those practices have not yet been challenged up to the highest national courts, we should keep that in mind.
That said, one of the main use cases of  VPNs is to defend against data retention.

I was rather pondering about why metadata logging done by datacenters is more dangerous than by ISPs. But I assume that live correlation attacks are easier for DCs than for ISPs.

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@HannaForest

Hello!

It's not less or more dangerous, it's just that data retention that's mandatory for residential ISPs is not a matter which affects our service, while data retention mandatory for datacenters is.

Kind regards
 

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