Jump to content
Not connected, Your IP: 3.145.68.167
flat4

I need suggestions ASAP

Recommended Posts

Sadly last night i realize that my free pc that i got and setup pfSense will not do any kind of AES encryption, (should have seen this coming when its just a celeron) so i need suggestions on a cpu/mobo combo that can handle the workload. My internet speed is 10mbits down and 3mbits.

 

I've out of the hardware game for a long time so i don't know the line that AMD has and intel are also confusing,

 

I really don't want spend a lot of money so a i7 or i5 is out of the question (unless they are really cheap). I like AMD because they are cheaper but im open to suggestions.

 

I would like the board to have intel LAN since it work well with pfsense but no necessary. What is necessary is two pci (not pci-e) slots as i have two gigabit intel cards to add.

 

Any suggestions I would appreciated.

Share this post


Link to post

@flat4

 

Hello!

 

Try anyway, because a Celeron CPU, even with other routing tasks in pfSense, should be able to encrypt/decrypt a 10 Mbit/s AES-256-CBC cipher data flow, maybe even more.

 

Kind regards

Share this post


Link to post

I find it difficult to recommend any platform for a self-built box because of your requirement of 2 PCI slots / 3x 1Gbit NICs - that rules out small, energy-efficient systems like AMD's AM1 (Jaguar/Kabini) or Intel Bay Trail / ARK Atom.

I do have an alternative idea:
€299 firewall box - explicitly built for OPNSense / pfSense, claiming "~80Mbps (AES256)", 3x 1Gbit ports.

That's probably a bit more than you intended to spend but you have to factor in power consumption. That firewall will only consume 10W. On a self-built box you're looking at anywhere from 25-55W (or more) just for the CPU alone.


all of my content is released under CC-BY-SA 2.0

Share this post


Link to post

I find it difficult to recommend any platform for a self-built box because of your requirement of 2 PCI slots / 3x 1Gbit NICs - that rules out small, energy-efficient systems like AMD's AM1 (Jaguar/Kabini) or Intel Bay Trail / ARK Atom.

 

I do have an alternative idea:

€299 firewall box - explicitly built for OPNSense / pfSense, claiming "~80Mbps (AES256)", 3x 1Gbit ports.

 

That's probably a bit more than you intended to spend but you have to factor in power consumption. That firewall will only consume 10W. On a self-built box you're looking at anywhere from 25-55W (or more) just for the CPU alone.

 

I was unclear i guess, i don't need 3 on-board gbit ports, just two pci slots since i have two Intel network cards i will add.

I have vm running opnsense and while it seems like they are going to be producing a quality product at this time i cannot fully implement that branch as production at my home. Heaven forbid that the internet be down at my house.

 

I had already looked at netgate products but they are pretty pricey and at nearly 600 USD for that appliance I will pass.

 

I have ram, disk, and tower that is why I asked for suggestions on hardware, since Staff suggested to try on what i have, i will.

I will never have such huge data connection such as some members here so the celeron might work.

 

Thanks for the suggestion, maybe at a later time i may need this appliance.

Share this post


Link to post

I wouldn't worry with 10 Mbit/s. Tbh I think my alarm clock could power openvpn @ 10 Mbit/s lol. If what you have works just use it, I don't think you'll have issues with openvpn speeds. And as sheivoko said recommending anything is difficult when standard pci slots are required.

 

FWiW:

I have 2 mobos with embeded quad core celeron baytrails @2.0Ghz/2.4Ghz @10W with no AES that easily run pfsense + openvpn + suricata.

 

Hell after the first pfsense build I was so impressed with the crazy low power usage and decent speed that I built a second machine for dev/coding work using the same motherboard + 8gb of ram + linux. I'm typing from it now and its connected via ssh + openvpn. I also have vlc open playing music and xbmc 'xbox media center' open on another monitor/tv.

 

However this setup has 2 pci express and one 1 x pci express 2.0 x16 in x1 mode, not pci. But it uses standard or low voltage ddr3 and can run 100% fanless.

This is the mobo -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157513

 

If you do plan on upgrading it might be worth spending a little cash on intel 1gb pci-E cards. Having a 'green' system using 10 watts or less when idling is really nice. With my setup these two machines payed for themselves in about 4 electric bills lol...

-But my dev box was a i980x with a gtx780. Just turning it on made my power meter do cartwheels and ate up my weekly beer fund.

Share this post


Link to post

I wouldn't worry with 10 Mbit/s. Tbh I think my alarm clock could power openvpn @ 10 Mbit/s lol. If what you have works just use it, I don't think you'll have issues with openvpn speeds. And as sheivoko said recommending anything is difficult when standard pci slots are required.

 

FWiW:

I have 2 mobos with embeded quad core celeron baytrails @2.0Ghz/2.4Ghz @10W with no AES that easily run pfsense + openvpn + suricata.

 

Hell after the first pfsense build I was so impressed with the crazy low power usage and decent speed that I built a second machine for dev/coding work using the same motherboard + 8gb of ram + linux. I'm typing from it now and its connected via ssh + openvpn. I also have vlc open playing music and xbmc 'xbox media center' open on another monitor/tv.

 

However this setup has 2 pci express and one 1 x pci express 2.0 x16 in x1 mode, not pci. But it uses standard or low voltage ddr3 and can run 100% fanless.

This is the mobo -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157513

 

If you do plan on upgrading it might be worth spending a little cash on intel 1gb pci-E cards. Having a 'green' system using 10 watts or less when idling is really nice. With my setup these two machines payed for themselves in about 4 electric bills lol...

-But my dev box was a i980x with a gtx780. Just turning it on made my power meter do cartwheels and ate up my weekly beer fund.

Awesome this is what i been looking for, i been search the bargain bin for a combo like this and eiher they did not have enought ports or they were too pricey.

i will post results, the current setup is not power friendly it was an old server with a 700 wat PS to power a dvd drive one IDE drive and the celeron.

So its eating power like a fat man at ta free buffet.

 

I actually found this one that will work with two intel gbit cards that i have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565

 

same price

Share this post


Link to post

Awesome this is what i been looking for, i been search the bargain bin for a combo like this and eiher they did not have enought ports or they were too pricey.

 

i will post results, the current setup is not power friendly it was an old server with a 700 wat PS to power a dvd drive one IDE drive and the celeron.

So its eating power like a fat man at ta free buffet.

 

I actually found this one that will work with two intel gbit cards that i have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565

 

same price

 

Nice! That model wasn't there when I was getting mine.

 

In pfsense my install was flawless. -installed pfsense from usb -> old as hell sata drive.

 

If you're going to use your own ram ya might want to check the supported memory list 'at least make sure your timings/voltages are supported'. I haven't heard of any ram issues 'nor had any myself ' but I bought ram that was on the supported list. It was cheap as hell so I figured why not. Supported ram list ->http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M%20Pro3/index.us.asp?cat=Memory

 

I got this for the pfsense box - but there is lower voltage stuff supported. I just liked the cas 9. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231393

 

 

-semi off topic - has nothing to do with pfsense:

For anyone wanting to use the Q1900M onboard video+xorg and acceleration + debian.  

I had to run debian jessie "has a newer kernel". Wheezy will not work unless you use a custom kernel and go wild with apt pinning. Not worth it imo...

 

For drivers I only have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed. - There's not much correct info around using the Q1900M + linux. Firgured I would post it. ->I also ripped out systemd shortly after the install.

 

For pure shits I tossed a gtx 780 in and loaded up warthunder in debian. It actually ran pretty well lol "30-50 fps @ 1920x1200" Not recomended but kinda funny... The gtx is out of the system again as it a power hog.

 

gl with the build m8 and if you want my parts list just shout.

Share this post


Link to post

 

Awesome this is what i been looking for, i been search the bargain bin for a combo like this and eiher they did not have enought ports or they were too pricey.

 

i will post results, the current setup is not power friendly it was an old server with a 700 wat PS to power a dvd drive one IDE drive and the celeron.

So its eating power like a fat man at ta free buffet.

 

I actually found this one that will work with two intel gbit cards that i have http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565

 

same price

Nice! That model wasn't there when I was getting mine.

 

In pfsense my install was flawless. -installed pfsense from usb -> old as hell sata drive.

 

If you're going to use your own ram ya might want to check the supported memory list 'at least make sure your timings/voltages are supported'. I haven't heard of any ram issues 'nor had any myself ' but I bought ram that was on the supported list. It was cheap as hell so I figured why not. Supported ram list ->http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M%20Pro3/index.us.asp?cat=Memory

 

I got this for the pfsense box - but there is lower voltage stuff supported. I just liked the cas 9. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231393

 

 

-semi off topic - has nothing to do with pfsense:

For anyone wanting to use the Q1900M onboard video+xorg and acceleration + debian.  

I had to run debian jessie "has a newer kernel". Wheezy will not work unless you use a custom kernel and go wild with apt pinning. Not worth it imo...

 

For drivers I only have xserver-xorg-video-intel installed. - There's not much correct info around using the Q1900M + linux. Firgured I would post it. ->I also ripped out systemd shortly after the install.

 

For pure shits I tossed a gtx 780 in and loaded up warthunder in debian. It actually ran pretty well lol "30-50 fps @ 1920x1200" Not recomended but kinda funny... The gtx is out of the system again as it a power hog.

 

gl with the build m8 and if you want my parts list just shout.

yes, i ponder that as I was checking out and made sure i picked up supported Ram. Not low voltage but it will work.

 

thanks for the suggestion.

Share this post


Link to post

Update, I got all of my stuff in and was really excited to get to work and the worst thing happen. the case I ordered was for a mini-itx and I had a micro-atx.

damn it damn it.

 

So after I returned and got a proper case i was finally ready to build.  Just thought i share this, make you buy the right parts.

Share this post


Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Security Check
    Play CAPTCHA Audio
    Refresh Image

×
×
  • Create New...