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#61 b2431521

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 11:31 AM

Air Staff merely confirmed what I already told you - it's out of Airs' hands. You'll note they mention residential IPs too.

 

So it inherently doesn't matter if you change to something other than Air, as those IPs would also just get blocked. 

 

So nowadays it's hit and miss.

 

Such is the problem when sites block users. Other big ones like Netflix are notorious for it too. Best of luck. :)

 

Sorry, I don't buy this.

 

BBC will be blocking IP's either from publicly available IP lists of VPN services, or on a case-by-case basis, where they detect 20+ streams from one single IP & suspect it is a VPN.

 

AirVPN has a routing server in the UK, GB2, which is hardly used - https://airvpn.org/servers/GB2/

 

I don't understand why they can't route all Iplayer traffic via that server, & when it gets blacklisted by BBC, just contact the data centre & get it issued with another IP. This won't affect any end user connection/configuration as the IP addresses of the servers we connect to will remain unchanged.

 

Iplayer downtime would then be limited to how quickly AirVPN can provision another routing server that isn't blacklisted.

 

Clearly many users find this to be a big deal - I don't understand why this is not worth doing!



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Posted 01 January 2018 - 05:57 PM

BBC will be blocking IP's either from publicly available IP lists of VPN services, or on a case-by-case basis, where they detect 20+ streams from one single IP & suspect it is a VPN.

 

AirVPN has a routing server in the UK, GB2, which is hardly used - https://airvpn.org/servers/GB2/

 

 

The whole range of IP addresses of the dc where GB2 is in is already blocked.

 

We operate in 4 additional datacenters in the UK and we tested other IP ranges in additional datacenters, we don't even remember anymore how many. All of such ranges are blocked.

 

I don't understand why they can't route all Iplayer traffic via that server, & when it gets blacklisted by BBC, just contact the data centre & get it issued with another IP. This won't affect any end user connection/configuration as the IP addresses of the servers we connect to will remain unchanged.

 

Iplayer downtime would then be limited to how quickly AirVPN can provision another routing server that isn't blacklisted.

 

It is more efficient for BBC (or Netflix or anybody else interested in discriminatory accesses) to just black list those IP addresses which stream concurrently more than x streams (the value can be accurately calculated to not affect customers behind a NAT of a residential ISP) while a white list of IPv4 addresses assigned to UK (or any other country) is compiled, which is another very effective solution for all the happy scullions of the copyright industry (except when they wonder how it's possible that file sharing increases instead of going down during time with the new streaming services) or just to contribute to build walled gardens for the fools.

 

 

Clearly many users find this to be a big deal - I don't understand why this is not worth doing!

 

It's not the main purpose of our service, but just a nice side effect, which will probably work less and less in the future. It would be very risky to hope to cover the expenses of our infrastructure with a geo-restriction bypass service, and we never really counted on it. In 2014 or 2013  we advertised this side-effect for a few days in the home page, and we quickly stopped because we saw it as a mistake with no future (it looks like we were right, unfortunately).

 

However, as you could read before in this answer, this does not mean that we don't care about you: we have employed time and resources to make BBC accessible.

 

Kind regards



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Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:10 AM

It looks like BBC iPlayer with any VPN provider is becoming increasingly difficult to sustain.

Here are a couple of workarounds:

1. Kodi iPlayer addon usually works for live steams with any UK VPN (for catch-up the VPN must not be blocked).

2. https://easyview.eu is OK for UK TV SD live streaming (no VPN required).

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Posted 02 January 2018 - 12:19 PM

Air Staff merely confirmed what I already told you - it's out of Airs' hands. You'll note they mention residential IPs too.

 

So it inherently doesn't matter if you change to something other than Air, as those IPs would also just get blocked. 

 

So nowadays it's hit and miss.

 

Such is the problem when sites block users. Other big ones like Netflix are notorious for it too. Best of luck. :)

 

Sorry, I don't buy this.

 

BBC will be blocking IP's either from publicly available IP lists of VPN services, or on a case-by-case basis, where they detect 20+ streams from one single IP & suspect it is a VPN.

 

AirVPN has a routing server in the UK, GB2, which is hardly used - https://airvpn.org/servers/GB2/

 

I don't understand why they can't route all Iplayer traffic via that server, & when it gets blacklisted by BBC, just contact the data centre & get it issued with another IP. This won't affect any end user connection/configuration as the IP addresses of the servers we connect to will remain unchanged.

 

Iplayer downtime would then be limited to how quickly AirVPN can provision another routing server that isn't blacklisted.

 

Clearly many users find this to be a big deal - I don't understand why this is not worth doing!

 

You clearly do not understand how IP blacklisting works, or the fact that we have literally ran out of IPv4's, and are getting more and more expensive due to the short supply. It is pathetically trivial to auto-block IPv4's or any other metric (v6, account blacklisting). 

 

If streamUsers > 5 block for 30 minutes

if streamUsersStill > 5 block for 24 hours

 

You can't just "ask" for a new v4, because it'll just get blocked within seconds anyway. If any company wants to block VPN's, it's so, so, so easy. Nothing AirVPN (or any other VPN provider) can do. 







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