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Hi all,

Its well over ten years and there is reams of information/disinformation available if you look.

I'm interested in what the forum think really happened... Do you believe the official story,  nineteen terrorists hijack the jets, the towers inc WT7 collapse due to fire.

Or do you believe something else happened...

I have my own thoughts on this what are yours ?

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I have my own thoughts on this what are yours ?



Hi snaggle , you asking the community their thougts about this 9/11 story.

It seems to me that you should give us first of all your thoughts.

Then maybe there will be members who give theirs.

I have nothing to hide, but that's nobody's business!

Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.
John Lennon
The further a society drift from truth the more it will hate those that speak it.
George Orwell

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I have my own thoughts on this what are yours ?



Hi snaggle , you asking the community their thougts about this 9/11 story.

It seems to me that you should give us first of all your thoughts.



Then maybe there will be members who give theirs.

Hi, fair comment.

Suffice to say don't believe the official story.

I'm on my phone right now and don't have much time so will comment further asap.

I have time to say that if you start at WT7 and watch it's almost free fall decent after no plane impact then add in the fact that this was only shown a couple of times, as it happened on mainstream media.. never again, questions arise. Conspiracy theory or coincidence theory....


Edit- The official theory relies on the top of the struck tower collapsing and pile driving each lower floor until total collapse. This short film explores this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUwmBsvrTQg


I know they are many many videos online, some verging on the ridiculous and others based only on provable facts and indisputable science, disinformation outweighs the facts, muddying the waters,  this I believe is intentional and integral in maintaining the deception.

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Were we lied to? Without a doubt the answer is yes. However the question should be "Why were we lied to and for what reasons?".


I do not buy the supposed reasons for the attack. But perhaps I am just naive.


How the attack happened is so realistic that I doubt we could make a fake this convincing. One of the planes successfully fought off the attackers, but died anyway. At least those few brave people gave their lives to prevent more of this.


Was Osama Bin Laden actually the "mastermind" behind a terrorist attack that killed so many people? I do not even care. He was dead at the time of the attacks anyway, yet too much of a coward to join the attacks himself. (Dead in that he required dialysis daily to live since his kidneys were dead or close to it.)


But that shithead took "credit" for the attack, and years later got some small measure of what he deserved for it. I hope the bullets that he was killed with was smeared in pig fat and blood. (Knowledge is power, this would doom him according to his own beliefs to an eternity in Hell as one of the "Devils Pigs".)

Debugging is at least twice as hard as writing the program in the first place.

So if you write your code as clever as you can possibly make it, then by definition you are not smart enough to debug it.

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The airline hijacking attacks of September 11, 2001 was so low-tech and so simple in design that it was, in a word some software programmers like to use to describe programming code with which they are impressed, elegant in that it was too pedestrian to warrant imagination much less suspicion.  Only the hyper-active fantasizing of adolescent thinking could devise a post-mortem scenario that would conclude the efficacy of the plan's success hinged on the clandestine participation of a government the size of a small country staffed by people with the willingness and capability to keep their collective mouths shut while thousands of their countrymen, some of whom could have potentially been relatives, would be sacrificed to the slaughter.  Not possible...not possible at all.  There exists far too many whistleblowers motivated by political ideology to subscribe to such a notion.  What happened on that date in the United States happened as it was witnessed, whether witnessed in person or live on-screen.



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Show me any authentic images of airplane debris at the Pennsylvania site.  There are none because there was no airplane.

Show me any authentic images of airplane debris at the Pentagon.  There are none because there was no airplane.

How is it that three tall buildings fell completly into their own foot print? If we believe the gov't story, then demolition experts are no longer necessary because all that is needed to get a building to collapse into its own foot print is to set a fire in one of the upper floors.

The list of unexplainables is so long as to be nausiating.

Why did it happen? follow the money. who profits from war? Were those buildings insured? Whos ego gets boosted. You dont suppost that GHWB and Barbara went to Yemen the week after GWB got elected just to enjoy the climate do you? Or maybe they went to rattle the sword.

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steel framed concrete reinforced buildings can not free fall


nor does diesel fuel burn hot enough to weaken steel

especially if most of the fuel was burned up on impact


building 7 i think says it all

and the fact there was an immediate 'clean up' of the crime scene

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There was no conspiracy on these attacks I'm quite sure about it.


Actually I think what makes you believe this is you considering US as a country with high-tech allmighty army that no one can beat in anyway. Well that's what the propaganda in US series and movies is saying too. This has to do with this effect of massive propaganda in your mind and maybe your psychology too. If you convince yourself that your masters are over-powerful then you won't even try to revolt. That's a comfortable zone you're keeping yourself to.


US government didn't need any 'sophisticated lies' when they made their war in Irak, they just plainly lied about "weapons of massive destruction" and then got their hands on oil as they intended. Even if 9/11 didn't happen, they would have said they had to finish their war to Sadam Hussein. What Sadam Hussein had to do with 9/11 anyway ? nothing.


Stop thinking some invisible guy is trying to manipulate you. The only thing States need to keep you quiet is you listening to radio or watching TV, and that' what most people do even though they're not forced to. This is what La Boétie (I'm quite sure it's him) called "la servitude volontaire". If you didn't watch TV, no one would lie to you. It's that simple.

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​hi there

​For the US government this is not the 1st time that they've done something like that. Please read history. 

​It is historically proven over and over again that government witch wants to assume full power over its people 

​it is capable of anything. Just you need to know that what I am referring as GOVERNMENT it not exactly   

​government it is those within the shadow. Always is, has been someone in the shadow in all major mass genocide 

throughout the history. No one by itself whats consider "mass murderer" throughout the history ever done without support

​from the shadow organizations. Currently US Government or whats left of them are controlled from the same shadow

​organizations and because of secrecy "Clearance Level" structure in US solders and their commanding officers sworn to obey

​without questioning those behind the scene can do anything they want. There is good site of it and hope for US yet, because many low also high ranking officers become to question authenticity of the orders many of them has been dismiss from service, some has been recruited deep within unfortunately some has been brutally murdered, all of that to shut them off. Weather you liked or not, Weather you dismiss as conspiracy, Weather you want to hear or not, Weather you scared or not, because there is no such think as  absolute TRUTH it is just part of the puzzle

​If you want to make your own conclusion Weather 9/11 was a false flag attack you should.

​Follow the money - Not recommended because you must go deep and dark. To go deep and dark without back support very unwise.


​PRS (Problem, Reaction, Solution)Any Country to enter the war must have support of its people, right? 1st you create a PROBLEM like WW1 (ocean liner Lusitania) WW2 (Pearl Harbor), Vietnam War: (The Tonkin incident) and many more. Those are all part of the first stage "PROBLEM" with support of the major TV radio stations people will react for a 2nd stage "REACTION". and of course those behind already have the "SOLUTION"

​So keep asking yourself "Is my government capable of killing over 2000 of its own people" NO I will never do that SURE, but you are not THEM.

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We have, without any shadow of a doubt, been lied to!

You may want to check yourself.


Here are my heros:

Prof. Niels Harrit

Prof. Steven E. Jones

Prof. Grame Macqueen

Barbara Honegger


These two pages will scramble your reality:




I did study the event, it took about 3-400 hours, i collected and reviewed everything i could get my hands on. It took another year to fully understand the implications - and they are huge.

It is an irony. I just wanted to thank the guys that run AirVPN, and ran right across your post.

By the way, if you are in trouble, i highly recommend you check the work of Dr. Barrie Trower and/or T. Rifat. Microwave irradiation is THE tool used by the services, to kick your ass out of the game or silence you. I`am not kidding - it is real and an already wide spread technology among the services, portable devices exist. It is silent and due to the nature of this technology there are no traces left. In other words, the perfect weapon. If you think you are targeted, than this link is for you. I can confirm empirically the named effects, the way this stuff works (tracking you from cell to cell with a beam / a beam pointing at your flat), and that shielding has an immediate, clearly noticiable effect.




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if anybody is interested i will post a clean list with videos, presentations, witnesses regarding 911.

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Index (a selection of sources)


- www.911research.wtc7.net (great source – contains blueprints, photos...)


- www.journalof911studies.com/ (about 70 peer-reviewed scientific papers)


- www.ae911truth.org/ (architects&engineers – Richard Gage)


- www.pilotsfor911truth.org


- www.stj911.org (Scholars for 9/11 truth and justice)




Individuals (Interviews, Presentations..., a selection, available on the net)


Prof. Harrit

- Interview BBC (2:12h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF334x-xWz8

- Presentation on nanothermite (1:41h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kJ4EpmMw0

- at Toronto Hearings (1:24h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kF8Q6w16FI

- at Face to Face https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3Se86IBAw


Prof. Steven E. Jones

- a lot!


Prof. Graeme MacQueen

- Toronto Hearings (1:08h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7caDWzYi1E

- 9/11 Veritas @ Harvard University (1:28h) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Bu-0-eKJI

- 9/11 revisited, Kuala Lumpur (0:29h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmIcr5Wf7c4


- Foreknowledge of WTC7 demolition (1:20h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McF4flr2dYs


Barbara Honegger

- Seattle Townhall (3:04h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk

- at Toronto Hearings (0:41h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQguLmOEGYM



Matthias Chang

- about MH370, (1:10h)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDHULzPKgnU


Danny Jowenko, Demolition Expert (R.I.P.)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boNzLZInbjU





David Chandler, North Tower exploding (0:05:00h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUDoGuLpirc


Mark Basile, explosive Testimony (0:13:52h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZNQq7XBLwc


Dr. Kevin Barrett

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qk4VE0Vo6U

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xksKokTwDqU


Major General Albert Stubblebine (OH MY GOD! 0:14:59h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1ql4TfCZw


Gordon Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdtOFNgrkTg


John Cole (Thermite Experiments, 0:14:59h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3aBwfkphns

John Cole at Toronto Hearings (1:11h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXDd-1iSAtM


Major General Wesly Clark (Interview at Democracy now: „7 Countries in 5 Years..“)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSL3JqorkdU


James Corbett





Firefighter John Schroeder (0:46:51h)*

- short https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo

- full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWK0vidB_nk


Fire Marshall Rudy Dent (0:11:47h)*

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiedW2xwud0


Janitor William Rodrigues (0:50:47h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbZsoCuPD-w


Paul Lemos (0:10:43h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8-O-93IH88


NYC Firefighters say 9/11 WTC collapse seemed like controlled demolition (0:00:30h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiIT4HInWjY


Joe Casaliggi (0:00:26h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSueQsVsk_M


Kevin McPadden (0:02:38h)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4z-Wrp1pY8




- Berry Jennings

- Danny Jowenko

- Deborah Palfrey

- Kenneth Johanneman



Film&Movie (only a small fraction– way too much material)


- ZERO an investigation into 911 (01:44:55h)

- AE911Truth - 9 11 Explosive Evidence Experts Speak Out (02:15:21h)

- Die Lügen um 911, Dr. Andreas von Bülow (01:04:19h)


CIA Insider Tells 911 truth. Time to re-examine your World-view (0:23:36h) (!!)

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws


9/11 in the academic community

- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F2TWZ1xfJI





“The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.”


Winston Churchill











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Interesting reading - Why am I not hearing the endless rumble of jaws dropping to the floor?! (UPDATED!)




I have nothing to hide, but that's nobody's business!

Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.
John Lennon
The further a society drift from truth the more it will hate those that speak it.
George Orwell

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Were we lied to about: Kennedy's murder? Vietnam? Iraq?:   Yes Yes Yes Yes; Yes Yes Yes Yes ad infinitum


About 911: Probably; lots of fishy shit there and unanswered questions. But would Bush/Cheney kill innocent people and lie to seize more power?...HA HA HA, HA HA Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes


What really annoys me is when people tritely throw out phrases like "Conspiracy Theory" and "Conspiracy Nut" to suggest anyone who believes in conspiracies must be mentally unstable. In reality the world is a sea of conspiracies: governments, political parties, corporations, militaries, police, hate groups, on and on and on; feel free to add your candidates.


Happy thought for the day: Sazerac

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