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Best Answer pj, 04 June 2013 - 12:00 AM

Hello everybody.

The problem is one and only one: some torrent trackers administrators blacklist entire IP ranges, even all the IP addresses of whole datacenters sometimes.

We will bypass such blocks, since there's no ethical, technical or moral reason NOT to do so. Quite the contrary, actually. Some of those blocks are already bypassed right now, as you might have noticed: we're experimenting with Diadem and we'll do that, maybe slowly but surely relentlessly, in every and each server, if necessary. However please consider the following:

1) Bittorrent trackers were originally born to enhance and facilitate free flow of information on a neutral and open Internet at the price of a dangerous centralization. There was no choice: mainline-DHT and PEX were in a development stage or even totally unimplemented on most clients, and Kademlia highly needed improvements.

2) Bittorrent trackers administrators who blacklist entire datacenters or wide IP ranges are, consciously or unconsciously, active enemies of a neutral and open Internet.

3) Bittorrent trackers usage is nowadays exploited by a wide range of privacy and freedom of information hostile, mentally deranged people that by simply interrogating a tracker obtain huge lists of IP addresses which are then exploited for filthy purposes.

4) Modern DHT, additionally empowered by PEX, has rendered Bittorrent trackers obsolete and mostly useless, as well as magnet links have rendered torrent files totally useless.

 

I can hear someone screaming "the stats! the staaats!" ... I can only ask what do the stats mean in comparison to a free and open Internet, in comparison to the task of lowering the barriers to information access? First let's defeat those who want walled-gardens or gasp for shutting down the open Internet, then we'll face the staaats problem (that already now has been partially solved).

Draw your own conclusions.


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#21 NaDre

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

Connections to the following trackers are timing out for me with AirVPN:

 

udp://open.demonii.com:1337

udp://tracker.cc.de:80

udp://tracker.istole.it:80

udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80

 

They all work with a normal internet connection.

 

These all work for me from the server I am using:

 

udp://tracker.istole.it:80

udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80

 

I have had problems using these with some servers in the Netherlands. Generally if I report it here (saying which server) it is working the next time I try that server. So perhaps you should be more specific about which server this occurred with.



#22 brtennis

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:44 AM

These all work for me from the server I am using:

 

udp://tracker.istole.it:80

udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80

 

I have had problems using these with some servers in the Netherlands. Generally if I report it here (saying which server) it is working the next time I try that server. So perhaps you should be more specific about which server this occurred with.

 

I've been stuck with single-digit download speeds for the past two weeks with every server I've tried. What server are you using? Those three trackers are un-connectable for me using Pollux (US), Sirius (US), Diadem (US), Andromedae (US), Lyncis (NL), and Orionis (NL).



#23 NaDre

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:09 AM

Those three trackers are un-connectable for me using Pollux (US), Sirius (US), Diadem (US), Andromedae (US), Lyncis (NL), and Orionis (NL).

 

I switched to Nashira this morning, and they are working there.

 

I tried Corvi in the Netherlands and all three German servers first and all of them had a problem.

 

I was using Cygni when I wrote my previous post. I thought I should move somewhere with more servers. I try to avoid countries with only one server as this puts them in peril of being cancelled by the provider if they get tired of forwarding copyright complaints, as happened to Fornacis.

 

This problem does seem to be getting worse. As staff here were able to get around this at one point, I wonder if they could offer any insight into where the blocking is being done - the trackers themselves or the server vendors. Or is this proprietary information? I know that some other VPN outfits have been having similar issues with these open public trackers. At least we still have DHT and peer exchange.



#24 Staff

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:38 PM

@NaDre

 

Hello,

 

it was explained here:

 

The problem is one and only one: some torrent trackers administrators blacklist entire IP ranges, even all the IP addresses of whole datacenters sometimes.

 

Kind regards



#25 brtennis

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

Nashira and Pollux are both working for me now, and my download speeds are serviceable (400-500 Kbps). Still no tracker connection, but as long as the download speeds are reasonable, I'm happy.

 

I also just installed a new router since my previous one had slowly started killing my latency (2000ms to ping google and sporadic packet loss by the time I isolated the problem), but I didn't realize there was a problem until my browsing speeds became significantly impacted. The faulty router must have been the primary contributor to my single-digit download speeds before since both Nashira and Pollux are both performing as desired for me now.



#26 mielouk

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 02:27 AM

I tried to tunnel the connection to the tracker through a SSH SOCKS Proxy, which didn't work out. Connection refused, administratively prohibited, connection timed out.

 

While using Deluge on a headless machine via webinterface I don't get any DHT knots or connections to trackers since four days, when connected to Virginis.

 

4) Modern DHT, additionally empowered by PEX, has rendered Bittorrent trackers obsolete and mostly useless, as well as magnet links have rendered torrent files totally useless.

 

How do I increase or initially use the DHT knots on my server (DHT is enabled in Deluge), so I don't have to rely on trackers. When downloading without VPN, I get lots of connections to DHT knots...



#27 NaDre

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 03:44 PM

I tried to tunnel the connection to the tracker through a SSH SOCKS Proxy, which didn't work out. Connection refused, administratively prohibited, connection timed out.

 

While using Deluge on a headless machine via webinterface I don't get any DHT knots or connections to trackers since four days, when connected to Virginis.

 

4) Modern DHT, additionally empowered by PEX, has rendered Bittorrent trackers obsolete and mostly useless, as well as magnet links have rendered torrent files totally useless.

 

How do I increase or initially use the DHT knots on my server (DHT is enabled in Deluge), so I don't have to rely on trackers. When downloading without VPN, I get lots of connections to DHT knots...

 

You have not really explained your set up, other than to mention SOCKS. SOCKS is of no real use for bittorrent. Most torrent clients do not support incoming connections using SOCKS. What client are you using? And certainly AirVPN does not support forwarded connections when using the SSH SOCKS proxy. Nowhere do they suggest that using a SOCKS proxy is appropriate. You have to run OpenVPN over SSH. And they say do not use SSH at all unless direct OpenVPN will not work.

 

Also see these:

 

http://forum.vuze.com/thread.jspa?threadID=118025

http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=69734

 

DHT and SOCKS do not mix.

 



#28 mielouk

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 05:32 PM

DHT and SOCKS do not mix.

 

Yes, I really didn't explain my setup. I use a headless ARCH Linux Server with Deluge as a torrent client. The server connects only to Virginis via OpenVPN UDP:443 and is reachable via remote forwarded ports and by LAN. Deluge is managed by the webUI.

What I wanted to say is, that I tried to let Deluge connect to the tracker through a SSH SOCKS Proxy which has been reached through the tunnel. The thought was, that openbittorrent would recognize only the IP of the SOCKS Proxy. Well this doesn't work.

Nonetheless, I still have the Problem of adding new torrents, which don't find any seeders or peers when connected through the VPN, for a long time. Than for no apparent reason, DHT knots pop up and the download starts with the usual speed, like being not connected via the tunnel. How do I "encourage" Deluge to find appropriate DHT knots?

 

EDIT: I discovered how to find DHT knots. Add the connection IP of the VPN-Server instead of your own internal tunnel-IP to the Network Interface in Deluge. The big disadvantage is though, all speeds drop to nearly ZERO. The upload was using the full potential ~1000kb/s and dropped now to something between 5 and 60kb/s. Isn't there a way in the middle?



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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

I'm being blocked from Tauri at:

 

tracker.ccc.de:80

tracker.istole.it:6969

tracker.openbittorrent.com:80

tracker.publicbt.com:80



#30 esut

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 08:39 AM

I am seeing all traffic blocked to:

 

tracker.openbittorrent.com

tracker.ccc.de

tracker.istole.it

tracker.publicbt.com

 

as if 04:38 GMT -5 Sep 3 2013



#31 jgalt

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 04:42 AM

I am seeing all traffic blocked to:

 

tracker.openbittorrent.com

tracker.ccc.de

tracker.istole.it

tracker.publicbt.com

 

as if 04:38 GMT -5 Sep 3 2013

 

Same as well. 9/Sep/2013.. all udp traffic timing out from Manassas datacenters and Jacksonville

 

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.istole.it:80/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80
udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80
udp://tracker.istole.it:80
udp://open.demonii.com:80
udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:80
udp://tracker.ccc.de:80


#32 ZPKZ

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 08:16 AM

I am seeing all traffic blocked to:

 

tracker.openbittorrent.com

tracker.ccc.de

tracker.istole.it

tracker.publicbt.com

 

as if 04:38 GMT -5 Sep 3 2013

 

Same as well. 9/Sep/2013.. all udp traffic timing out from Manassas datacenters and Jacksonville

 

udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce
udp://tracker.istole.it:80/announce
udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80
udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80
udp://tracker.istole.it:80
udp://open.demonii.com:80
udp://tracker.coppersurfer.tk:80
udp://tracker.ccc.de:80

 

Seems like those are blocked on Ophiuchi too



#33 ZPKZ

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 03:02 PM

Most of the trackers used on piratebay and kat.ph are blocked :(

 

I wonder why.

 

I thought they would be PRO anonymity and net neutrality :(



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:59 AM

I am using transmission on a NL server with DHT and PEX enabled. 

I do see that most if not all trackers are not reachable but as mentionned above, with DHT and PEX available it hasn't been a problem for me ;-)

 

As a side note: There is no need to be connected to thousands of peers as with our average home DSL connection, we don't need more than:

o 45-50 peers/torrent for downloading

o 4-5 peers /torrent to upload to

o a maximum of 140-150 peers for all active torrents which shouldn't exceed 5.

 

More information here : http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?id=58404



#35 ZPKZ

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:47 AM

I only gett crappy speeds without the rest of the trackers :(

 

Any way Air can get us unblocked from the piratebay and kat.ph trackers stated above?

 

thanks



#36 ZPKZ

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 05:36 PM

open.demonii.com:1337 also blocked now

 

 

Seems like that's all the piratebay trackers :(



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 06:26 PM

open.demonii.com:1337 also blocked now

 

 

Seems like that's all the piratebay trackers :(

 

Hello,

 

we'll be working on that. Reasons for which trackers administrator blacklist entire datacenters may also be "good" (mitigation of torrent poisoning, for example). We kindly remind you, anyway, that you should use DHT. We have gathered a remarkable amount of evidence that proves that, nowadays, trackers are harmful, because it's easy to quickly announce multiple, fake IP addresses and ports on hundreds of trackers, and because © trolls fabricate notices based on trackers IP harvesting.

 

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#38 L0bstrosity

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:06 AM

Torrenting is becoming pretty problematic lately, constantly getting blocked from trackers.  It gets "fixed" for 12 hours or so then get blocked again.

 

udp://tracker.publichd.eu/announce

udp://tracker.1337x.org:80/announce

udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce

http://fr33dom.h33t.com:3310/announce

 

Above are the latest trackers I can't connect to.

 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 03:59 AM

Torrenting is becoming pretty problematic lately, constantly getting blocked from trackers.  It gets "fixed" for 12 hours or so then get blocked again.

 

Hello!

 

That's interesting, we have not done anything in the last days about trackers. From which server(s) have you noticed that the mentioned trackers are only intermittently reachable?

 

Anyway, as a side question, why do you need public trackers? They are not only useless (thanks to DHT+PEX) but also harmful.

 

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#40 thegreenarrow85

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 06:12 PM

I do not get DHT + PEX with out a tracker starting the flow of data to me 







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