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#1 LZ1

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Posted 30 June 2016 - 04:43 PM

Hello !

 

Would AirVPN be interested in supporting the Electronic Frontier Foundation and/or the Free Software Foundation? No specific project or technology as such.

 

It seems a bit remiss of AirVPN to not support these, in my view :).

 

About The EFF

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About The FSF

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Why should AirVPN do it? Because:

  • Both organisations routinely make new technologies available which help to enhance peoples freedoms. Not just software-wise either, but hardware too.
  • Both organisations comply with AirVPNs mission on multiple levels. Many kinds of freedom form the basis of free societies. Free speech, freedom of assembly, etc. So what about free software/privacy?
  • The EFF fights the required legal battles that come before or after new technology or laws that limit, constrict and/or endanger us all in more ways than one.
  • The FSF provides a completely different philosophy/approach to hardware and software; namely that it should be completely free. Not proprietary & closed. Eddie being open helps us all.
  • Support will also mean even more support for software like HTTPS Everywhere, which both the EFF & The Tor Project made. AirVPN already supports The Tor Project, so why not add the EFF? :)
  • Because the FSF is a hardcore supporter of free software & freedom of software provides a range of benefits for everyone:
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I think it's one thing to support various technical means of opposing state & company control, closedness and censorship, but quite another thing to oppose these things through legal means.

Because while technical tools are great, one could argue that we shouldn't, in an ideal world, even need them. But we do, because various laws force us to, if we want to maintain

a shred of privacy and security. But whether or not these organisations do battle legally, they both still provide a wealth of different tools and technologies which help advance

AirVPNs mission. So in a sense, it's like a package deal ! ;)

 

Even the best VPN in the galaxy won't have much to say in the face of running on a compromised system.

Even the best combination of security practices, software & hardware can come under attack when governments give themselves permission to do things that are illegal & immoral for everyone else to do.

 

In addition, supporting organisations which fight the necessary legal battles, could perhaps have direct implications for AirVPNs server locations, as Air writes:

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Of course there's many parameters to take into account when it comes to server locations; not least cost & infrastructure availability. But I'm sure we can agree that it's easier to set up a server in a

country that doesn't have laws or systems hostile to AirVPNs mission statement; perhaps one of the major reasons we haven't had many Iranian and Mainland Chinese servers, hmm?

For a primer on what the FSF is really about, you can watch this.

 

Thank you :]


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#2 Keksjdjdke

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 05:59 AM

This would be a great addition to airvpn.

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 12:58 PM

This would be a great addition to airvpn.

I appreciate the support!

It's hard(er) to run a secure setup if organisations like these aren't supported, IMO.


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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:31 PM

LZ1, you probably won't believe this, but you're reading minds. Ever since I mentioned HTTPS Everywhere in my extensions thread I hoped someone would finally open a thread like this and ask to fund the EFF (there, it goes like this: "the EFF does much more things - maybe open a separate No-Profit thread for them?!"). And now it happened. Finally.

Yes, I second both suggestions.

 

Why didn't I do it? Valid question. I don't know, I tend to forget things. Somebody give this man a medal, I will most probably forget it again. :D


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Posted 02 July 2016 - 03:43 PM

i really like what EFF is doing and i definitely 100% agree.


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Posted 03 July 2016 - 08:32 PM

would airvpn meet the FSF criteria of free software only most vpns are not able also a lot of vpn providers support the EFF most VPNs with non free clients are not able to meet the FSF standards 



#7 LZ1

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Posted 03 July 2016 - 09:34 PM

would airvpn meet the FSF criteria of free software only most vpns are not able also a lot of vpn providers support the EFF most VPNs with non free clients are not able to meet the FSF standards 

Good question. I only know that the Eddie client is open-source, but I don't know if it would meet all of the FSF requirements, since they're pretty hardcore. However I'm sure AirVPN wouldn't fail completely.

But you know, that's something we could perhaps find out, if AirVPN supports them! Open-software, whether it's called "Open-Source" or "Free Software", directly helps AirVPN accomplish its mission, if the software is truly open to people to share and inspect.

 

 

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I forgive you. I've waited long enough, so I had to take matters into my own hands ;) 

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 10:16 AM

@LZ1

See the license. Eddie is released under GPLv3. GPL was originally written by Stallman of the FSF.

 

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Posted 04 July 2016 - 11:27 PM

@LZ1

See the license. Eddie is released under GPLv3. GPL was originally written by Stallman of the FSF.

 

Kind regards

Ah yes, thank you for clarifying that Staff :).

 

I just re-read the guidelines: EFF & FSF should've had separate threads I see. Sorry I overlooked this; do PM me if it's more convenient/better/whatever and I'll split them up :).


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 02:27 PM

Frankly, the FSF is a group of arguing bureaucrats. They have great ideas that I support, but they have too unique a definition of "free" to be a positive force in the software world.

 

If they branched out to art, then to be considered free, a painting would have to be made on cloth they approved, and with paints they also approved. Then, the very brush strokes of the art would have to be signed off on by a committee to verify that it is actually "free", and the price of such freedom is zero artistic expression. Just rubberstamped approvals and disapprovals.

 

As I said, I like the FSF, but free does not need explanation, and does not need approval. Moreover, two people can have radically different interpretations of the word without either being wrong.


Debugging is at least twice as hard as writing the program in the first place.

So if you write your code as clever as you can possibly make it, then by definition you are not smart enough to debug it.


#11 LZ1

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 10:51 PM

Hey the already AirVPN funded Tor Project just changed their board of directors and one thing was especially interesting in an AirVPN context:

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The EFF !


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Posted 21 July 2016 - 03:47 PM

definitely agreed!


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#13 Kepler_452b

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Posted 21 July 2016 - 06:21 PM

OP, I 100% support your suggestion. EFF and FSF are two of the very few organizations that are actually fighting for privacy and freedom of information sharing. It's a David and Goliath battle and they need all the help and support they can get.


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Posted 02 August 2016 - 04:38 AM

Outstanding idea! More = Better and besides suits perfect by the AirVPN's principles

I'm personal support already Bits of freedom, a Dutch Digital rights organisation (https://www.bof.nl/home/english-bits-of-freedom/) and founders of the European Digital Rights Initiative https://edri.org/, If my information is correct, BOF is also pretty successful, of-course mostly in the Netherlands. 



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 12:07 PM

I'll suggest adding FSFE to the list. FSFE tries to take a non adversarial approach to promoting free/libre software, while FSF does not.



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 11:44 PM

I'll suggest adding FSFE to the list. FSFE tries to take a non adversarial approach to promoting free/libre software, while FSF does not.

I suggest you kindly make your own thread then, as we can't have multiple ones in one thread. Technically each should have their own. But thanks. :).

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Posted 06 September 2016 - 10:38 PM

Such support for the EFF and the FSF is a 'natural'. It is also a most important form of solidarity (however limited each of these three organizations may be themselves, individually). And today, it is all the more important that as many people and organizations as possible unite widely, against the power of the monolithic corporate State.

 

Each one of these organizations -- and others -- should give as high a profile as possible to each other, in all their common work, where possible and appropriate.

 

Hope you/we make it happen.

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Posted 02 October 2016 - 02:24 PM

Just adding my 2cents in support of the EFF. I appreciate the broad approach they have taken.

 

They advocate and try to educate politicians, which is important when the other side has such powerful lobbyists. They contribute legal briefs in court cases. They've advocated for issues relating to NSA surveillance, local surveillance like license plate readers and stingrays, DMCA and jailbreaking, patent trolling, online privacy, etc.

 

I like that they fight FUD helping people who are less tech savvy than those in this forum. They've supported software and services to increase the use of encryption with projects like HTTPS Everywhere and Let's Encrypt. They have also helped the press in various ways: making staff available for interviews to be a voice of reason on air, helping journalists who are not the most tech-savvy people with sensitive information, and pushing back against erosion of press freedom internationally. 

 

https://www.eff.org/thanks shows their donors and fundraising partners, such as the Humble Bundle, the makers of Minecraft, the MacArthur Foundation, and many VPN providers. Air's logo ought to be in that page :)



#19 Khariz

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Posted 22 October 2016 - 07:05 AM

I agree. Support the EFF!

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 05:23 PM

Good idea LZ1, also people can support EFF financially, independent of Air.

The whjole idea of intercepted networks just seems insupportable, but unfortunately people like open web at whatever cost. I reckon they wouldn't be so happy if the Postal Service had somebody standing outside their front door reading their letters.







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