ANSWERED Torrenting from the same country

[georgek3r 0]

Hello. One quick question for anyone that has an answer. 

I use hetzner with airvpn for seeding public torrents. Mostly movies and series. 

My hetzner server is in Germany. My Airvpn server i use is also in Germany. The reason? the latency. With NL eddie says that the latency with most NL servers are 10ms and in qbittorrent when i connect to NL AIrvpn servers the maximum seed is at 12-14 Mb/s in NL servers that are 40-60% busy. The same torrents seeding in German Airvpn servers reaches 30-40 Mb/s. 

2 questions
does the small difference in latency causes so much difference in speeds?
Is it safe to torrent from the same country my hetzner server is? Because hetzner dont want torrents at all.
I have confugure my qbittorent to use only tun0 interface (debian) and i have checked in ipleak (and with torrent detection) no leaks at all.  thnks in advance for any help and sorry for my bad english. I have read a comment that says better is to use different country. Any inputs?

[Staff 10014]

@georgek3r

Hello!

Hetzner can not prove which protocol/application you run in the VPN tunnel and what type of traffic you tunnel, as we do not have servers in Hetzner infrastructure, but it can see that you run qBitorrent if personnel accesses your server from KVM/IPMI (and potentially this is possible). If your server is virtual, they can see it even more easily. If (and only if) what you claim is true (we have no idea), Hetzner should be avoided because p2p protocols, including BitTorrent, are very important to the Internet today and used by a wide variety of services. Connecting to a VPN server in a country different from the one you live in is a golden rule that can make life harder to snoopers and wiretappers as the servers are in different networks and different jurisdictions.

Assuming no traffic leaks outside the VPN tunnel (important!), any activity observed by an external observer will be seen as coming from the VPN server exit-IP address and the correlation to your Hetzner IP address is impossible unless the observer is a very powerful adversary (NSA for example, or an entity monitoring the whole "your home country" infrastructure in real time and globally - another reason to pick a server outside your home country) or your system is compromised (remember how any VM can be easily observed by dc personnel).

Kind regards
 

[georgek3r 0]

12 minutes ago, Staff said:

@georgek3r

Hello!

Hetzner can not prove which protocol/application you run in the VPN tunnel and what type of traffic you tunnel, as we do not have servers in Hetzner infrastructure, but it can see that you run qBitorrent if personnel accesses your server from KVM/IPMI (and potentially this is possible). If your server is virtual, they can see it even more easily. If (and only if) what you claim is true (we have no idea), Hetzner should be avoided because p2p protocols, including BitTorrent, are very important to the Internet today and used by a wide variety of services. Connecting to a VPN server in a country different from the one you live in is a golden rule that can make life harder to snoopers and wiretappers as the servers are in different networks and different jurisdictions.

Kind regards
 

Thnks for your kind answer and support. 

One last question, I didnt understand this
Hetzner should be avoided because p2p protocols, including BitTorrent, are very important to the Internet today and used by a wide variety of services.

[Staff 10014]

47 minutes ago, georgek3r said:

One last question, I didnt understand this
Hetzner should be avoided because p2p protocols, including BitTorrent, are very important to the Internet today and used by a wide variety of services.

Hello!

Assuming that you are right in reporting that Hetzner doesn't want torrent at all, then we say that it should be avoided because forbidding torrents hinders distribution of content, in particular free and open source software, blocks applications that may be useful or vital for a user of a dedicated or virtual server, and in general affirms the dangerous principle according to which it is reasonable to offer a subset of Internet application layer protocols by discriminating a specific protocol at a specific higher layer on a datacenter. It may also be matter of debate for potential breach of the regulatory framework set by EU 2018/1972 Directive etc. No discrimination or white listing at transport layer and application layer should be enforced.

Can you point us and the readers to the policy where it is stated that BitTorrent is not allowed in Hetzner infrastructure?

Kind regards
 

[georgek3r 0]

1 minute ago, Staff said:

Hello!

Assuming that you are right in reporting that Hetzner doesn't want torrent at all, then we say that it should be avoided because forbidding torrents (just like any other specific protocol) hinders distribution of content, specifically free and open source software, blocks applications that may be useful or vital for a user of a dedicated or virtual server, and in general affirms the dangerous principle according to which it is reasonable to offer a subset of Internet protocols at the application layer by discriminating a specific protocol at a specific higher layer on a datacenter. It may also be matter of debate for potential breach of the regulatory framework set by EU 2018/1972 Directive etc.

Can you point us and the readers to the policy where it is stated that BitTorrent is not allowed in Hetzner infrastructure?

Kind regards
 

maybe a misunderstanding.

I mean hetzner dont want to get dmca letters and will ban you instantly. Of course you can use Bittorrent with linux isos on hetzner. My question had to do with the fact that if hetzner ip will get dmca letters due to using a german airvpn server, in other words a server that is in the same country as hetzner vps.

[Staff 10014]

11 minutes ago, georgek3r said:

I mean hetzner dont want to get dmca letters and will ban you instantly.

Ok, you had written a completely different story. In this case, check the best answer in this thread, it tells you all.

Kind regards
 

[OpenSourcerer 1441]

18 hours ago, georgek3r said:

Because hetzner dont want torrents at all.

The misunderstanding comes from this sentence, I think it's a language barrier kind of problem. Hetzner does not explicitly disallow BitTorrent as a protocol, but if you are sharing copyrighted material on a Hetzner-hosted server, you are in violation of ToS point 8.2, and they will terminate the server.

I any case, I recommend against Hetzner – for altogether different reasons, though.

[georgek3r 0]

4 hours ago, OpenSourcerer said:

I any case, I recommend against Hetzner – for altogether different reasons, though.

I have tried to find a cheap alternative but I cannot. Hetzner cloud VCPUs machine have great value for money. Feralhosting maybe, they allow public torrents but without vpn. 

[Staff 10014]

18 hours ago, OpenSourcerer said:

any case, I recommend against Hetzner – for altogether different reasons, though.

Hello!

Would you disclose those reasons (in private, if necessary)? We have put Hetzner in a black list (to avoid to rent or house servers of any kind in their infrastructure) since 2014 or so, but the reasons for the black listing have been lost in the notes unfortunately after this last decade.

Kind regards
 

[OpenSourcerer 1441]

Your number one reason is probably ToS point 8.2. They do not tolerate file sharing of copyrighted material, which is incompatible with AirVPN's Net Neutrality commitment (and if detected as such, your account is suspended and you are held liable).

My personal reason is very simple: It's big enough already. For example, Hetzner hosts a frighteningly large portion of the Fediverse (11% of instances, but >50% of accounts; together with OVH, the biggest fish, it's 33% instances and >60% accounts, German source). The German self-hosting community tends to go to Hetzner, too.